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warrior 发表于 2006-11-6 03:13:00 | 显示全部楼层

Go to ISU website, you will find binshu xu's previous free program personal best is 92 points, which she scored at last year's JGP. Binshu xu is definitely the total package. It is extremely rare to find a skater with decent jumps, spins and spirals. Her flexbility is quite marvelous. Look at her PCS, she was undermarked in the SP, but all elements rose above 5 for the LP despite the fact her SP was much better than LP.

But she really needs to find a new cheoreographer.

Pray yan liu can make to the top 10 at 2007 worlds so China can send two ladies to the worlds in 2008.

warrior 发表于 2006-11-6 03:16:00 | 显示全部楼层
以下是引用ferrerol在2006-11-5 23:06:23的发言:

我觉得她如果要在跳跃安排上更加实惠点,就首先要考虑换掉3t-3t-seq,我觉得以她的能力做个3t-2t-2lp应该是问题不大的,总之做这个连续跳不划算,基础分不高,完成不好还要扣分。2a-2a其实倒是可以做,或者把它换成2a-2t吧,这两个的基础分差不多。

我觉得国家队真的应该花点心思好好培养一下小许,看得出来她的基本技术是很不错的,也有比较大的潜力,这毕竟是她的第一个成人赛季,第一次亮相还是比较让人满意的,希望她能越走越好。

I am not sure if she is comfortable to do 3-2-2. Her jumping ability is great, but it's not necessary she's comfortable to do 3-2-2. I've never seen her do any 3-2-2 in competition.

warrior 发表于 2006-11-6 03:23:00 | 显示全部楼层
以下是引用overgod在2006-11-6 0:51:50的发言:
女单要加油啊,女单3接3连跳很成问题,跟国外差距太大了

There are only 4-5 female skaters who can do 3-3 reliably in current ladies' ranking. Japan's Ando and Mao, South Korea's Kim and U.S.' Kimmie ad perhaps that Georgian girl.

To do a 3-3 SEQ reliabily is already a great achievement.

warrior 发表于 2006-11-6 03:24:00 | 显示全部楼层
 楼主| 飞天神猪 发表于 2006-11-6 08:42:00 | 显示全部楼层
以下是引用tobyid在2006-11-6 0:33:00的发言:

楼上的筒子,看小许的节目,单跳做了3S,3LOOP,3FLIP,那最后那个应该是3LUTS吧!

好像现在一套里就能做3个单跳!最后那个应该是不符合规定的吧!

她的三个组合跳是3LUTS+2TOE;3T+3T;2A+2A

明显对规则利用不对,规则没对2A的数量进行要求,她利用2A组合个连续跳,白白浪费了一个组合跳啊!

小许倒数第二个跳是3LUTZ,最后一个确实是3FLIP.另外4个单跳是可以做的,现在共有7次起跳机会,3个组合跳机会.大部分选手把2ALEX放成单跳来做,小许则当组合跳来做,2ALEX+2ALEX SEQ 分值确实比2ALEX+2TOE 2ALEX+2LOOP高一些,而且感觉小许对这个组合很顺手,没多少步伐过渡马上又是一个2ALEX,质量很高!在没有把握像YUNA KIM那样连2ALEX+3TOE的前提下,这样的组合已经是分值最高的选择了.

小许的ALEX算在连续跳中,自然除去3个连续跳机会,她就有了4次做单跳的机会了,放心,这样做没有问题的.

去年全运会小许就做了3TOE+3TOE,没有步伐连接,我觉得如果她能完成这样的连跳的话,再加个3LUTZ+2TOE+2LOOP,自由滑的难度绝对是不低的.其实小许最强的一点是她的旋转,感觉MAO YUNA KIM 美国妹妹都不及她漂亮,尤其是转的速度和难度都达到了很好的平衡,这很不容易的.

warrior 发表于 2006-11-6 09:37:00 | 显示全部楼层

How do you know she's comfortable doing 3-2-2? I've never seen her doing this before. I think her coach might replace planned 3-3 with a 3-3 SEQ o the spot. Because when I first loaded the planned program content pdf, it said she would do a 3-3 combo. I don't think she needs a 3-2-2 this season. It's already 7 triples. She needs to be extremely consistent for her LP. If she can be consistent throughout the season, she will build a good impression on judges' minds, and they may soon reward her with PCS > 6.

I just checked xu's pcs vs. yan liu's. It's quite remarkable that Xu already scored 43.8 points for her LP. The highest PCS liu got was during Olympics, she only got 45 points.

Hopefully, both Liu and Xu will have a wonderful performance at Cup of China.

lisa76 发表于 2006-11-6 11:20:00 | 显示全部楼层
不错不错,感觉LP比SP放开多了,小许加油!!!
ferrerol 发表于 2006-11-6 12:38:00 | 显示全部楼层
刚刚看了一下ISU上公布的评分细则,小许SP的三个旋转都只有二级,直线步只有一级,怪不得技术分也偏低了。她的layback spin编排那么难的,完成也很漂亮,为什么只定到二级呢?我还以为肯定是四级呢,难道是每钟姿态没有保持够两圈吗?希望教练能注意到这个问题,现在这样很吃亏,很不划算的。
warrior 发表于 2006-11-6 12:48:00 | 显示全部楼层
以下是引用ferrerol在2006-11-6 12:38:09的发言:
刚刚看了一下ISU上公布的评分细则,小许SP的三个旋转都只有二级,直线步只有一级,怪不得技术分也偏低了。她的layback spin编排那么难的,完成也很漂亮,为什么只定到二级呢?我还以为肯定是四级呢,难道是每钟姿态没有保持够两圈吗?希望教练能注意到这个问题,现在这样很吃亏,很不划算的。

It's not scientific at all. The grading is also depending on your reputation among judges, very erratic. For Joannie who is a horrible spinner to be graded level 4 is an insult to the system.

But I did read from other figure skating forum that Xu is the only lady who did not do a required footwork before her 3f. That's why her GOE was -1 even she landed it beautifully.

 楼主| 飞天神猪 发表于 2006-11-6 17:44:00 | 显示全部楼层
什么?小许的旋转才定才两级?裁判是疯了还是这么的,现在世界上有几个运动员旋转比小许做的漂亮?希望这仅仅是名气问题.
loooop 发表于 2006-11-6 18:09:00 | 显示全部楼层
米错,刚看了打分细则我也很吃惊,罗切特几乎每个旋转都是四级,小许的LP只有弓身转达到四级,其他都是2级,步法只有一级。希望她别像刘艳那样总在定级上吃亏。
isabelle 发表于 2006-11-6 20:44:00 | 显示全部楼层
小关好象都没做过提刀,她拿手的是燕平衡最基本的姿势,燕平衡的姿势根据运动员个人条件,要看柔韧和腰部力量,以及绷的力度~小许肯定会那个燕子啦,换姿势,提刀应该更难吧?
warrior 发表于 2006-11-7 01:50:00 | 显示全部楼层

Xiao Xue's photos

warrior 发表于 2006-11-7 08:10:00 | 显示全部楼层

[原创]许斌姝的确应该是 16 岁 !!

After some google searching, I am now 100% sure that 许斌姝 is only 16 years old!! Since I doubt they changed her birth month/date, she is perhaps slightly younger than Mao Asada and Yu Na Kim. Here's a report by SINA filed on Jan 06, 2004.

http://sports.sina.com.cn/s/2004-01-06/1620140915s.shtml

"许斌姝是陈露第二吗?--专家教练坦言为时过早"

"昨天,刚参加完在哈尔滨举行的全国花样滑冰锦标赛的国家花样滑冰队队员回到北京,而快到14岁的吉林小将许斌姝首次夺取全国女子单人滑冠军,被当地媒体称作是“小陈露”的诞生,是本次比赛的一大亮点。许斌姝已成为第二个陈露了吗?...."

姚滨说:“许斌姝年龄太小,14岁还不到,身材也不高,刚过1.40米,今后能长成什么样子不好说,女子单人滑对形体要求很高,她的形体还远未定型。同时,许斌姝的技术还不如当年的陈露。陈露在她这个年龄,已经掌握了5种三周跳。况且日本队现在有许多小将都掌握了5种三周跳,所以说许斌姝是未来的第二个陈露,确实为时尚早。”

So on Jan 06, 2004, binshu xu is not 14 years old yet, which means she is now only 16 years old. This is great great news!!

Binshu Xu's SP and LP at Skate Canada

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FkNN3Vttfg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmxWuOxrz1w

I am so excited for her. More photos!!

plantclean 发表于 2006-11-7 11:15:00 | 显示全部楼层
我很喜欢她的提刀,有些COHEN的味道
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